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  JW.ORG turning into an evangelical clone

  by Pistoff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i clicked this link to the november 2017 tvjw video, in it they defend their 2 witness policy, though, gutlessly, they do not mention it in the context of child sexual abuse.. anyway, check out the christian jehovian song at 57:06, ugh, makes me nauseous.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksz0qiftsok&feature=youtu.be&t=53m25s.

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  Who knew Otters were suck dicks!?
  
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  Biblical incidents that bothered me.

  by EverApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wanted to discuss the (supposed) biblical events that disturbed me a lot when i was a jw.

  these incidents were just read and discussed in the kingdom hall as if these are normal and justified, which clearly weren't.

  perhaps this led to my awakening.

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  Ever apostate,

  Actually I believe the official teaching is that anyone killed at the hand of God himself, will not be resurrected (since he can see what we cannot being outside of time and space and all that).

  Unless it has changed. Maybe it has. Who the hell can honestly keep up.

  Even then....what sort of asshole God would maul a kid, then resurrect him later. What was the point of killing him in the first place!?
  
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  Biblical incidents that bothered me.

  by EverApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wanted to discuss the (supposed) biblical events that disturbed me a lot when i was a jw.

  these incidents were just read and discussed in the kingdom hall as if these are normal and justified, which clearly weren't.

  perhaps this led to my awakening.

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  My hairline is just at the beginning of turning my forehead into a "fivehead". I am training bears currently for when the occasion should arise at the convention. I am sure everyone will nod their heads and figure that those kids eaten by my unholy bear army of the night, got what they deserved.

  Or as one brother put it in a talk he gave.

  "It was righteous indignation.......just desserts!"
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  Hoping I can stay

  by allyson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i started studying with witnesses about 21 months ago.

  started going to meetings in march 2017, went to the memorial and attended my first convention.

  i love it.

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  Allyson,

  A couple hard truths.

  1) Do not tell them you communicated online with ex-JW's. That will be a big red flag.

  2) JW's are a nice and friendly community, but you ave no idea how closed off, simple minded, and judgmental the leadership requires these otherwise very nice and kind people to be.

  3) Once discovered by the mass of the congregation as a transgender, you will most likely experience some sort of phobia and maybe worse.

  4) WHY, are you studying with a fundamentalist religion considering your background? Are you in an area without the support of a strong LGBTQ community? Have you critically researched the teachings of JW's around Blood, Child abuse, 1914 and their exclusive appointment before God, and disfellowshipping/shunning? You should. PM me if you would like to speak further.
  
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  Watchtower Loses an Appeal

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

  it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

  yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

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  I was thinking....if they want to take this to a higher court.....all the way to the supreme court even.....LET THEM.

  It will only raise the profile of the case, get more people looking at it, have more potential interet from larger media outlets, etc...

  Let them do it to themselves via the "Streisand effect".
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  Can you be disfellowshiped for reading other religious materials?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am having a conversation with a jw and they say you can not be disfellowshiped for this.

  is this true?

  i thought you can be disfellowshiped for this.

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  Here it is. Technically....no you can't be disfellowshipped for the "act" of reading "apostate" or critical literature.

  Now.....if you TELL anyone what you have read, then you could be considered a cause for stumbling, and be disfellowshipped. Although it is very likely they would meet with you, and perhaps reprove you first if this is the case. If you feel like there was something you read that was on point......now you are really boned.

  So the woman telling you this isn't wrong. But I wager if you said "are you allowed to read apostate information, or information critical of the stance of JW's".....you wouldn't get an "of course" or "yes". You would probably get a dog and pony show with obfuscation to the max.
  
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  Picture in latest Watchtower . . . What is it?

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in this picture from the latest watchtower, what in the world is the guy watching on the left side of the picture??

  it looks like a female vampire holding a lightsaber.

  am i missing something?.

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  A not so veiled (for the really serious bretheren), swipe at Star Wars fervor (coming to a theater near you in December)?

  You have to change it enough to not be sued, and it could double as any sort of "uncanny" type unapproved social entertainment.

  I think "the uncanny" is what they normally call it.....and how they link it with spiritism.
  
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  So this is what JW's do out in service

  by mann377 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5058729/married-jehovah-s-witness-seduced-actress.html.

  i never had a good time like that!.

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  Dude has facial hair. Out by himself. Clearly nonsense.
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  JW HLC....a mixed bunch...what has been your experience?

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i have had greatly varied experiences with hlc members over the years.

  i was never one myself, but i knew several of them personally.

  most struck me as being generally decent human beings.

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  OC,

  thanks for sharing that. I am incredibly relieved that he is ok, yet also annoyed that the JW response to hearing your story would be along the lines of "see!?........everything was fine".....which is of course not the point, and not accurate.

  I was being groomed to be part of the HLC as a young guy. Most of what we did, was go through the hospital and visit JW's from other places registered as JW's. The guy "training" me now in hindsight, was not qualified in the least bit to understand and advise on complex medical issues. I found this to often be the case with the boots on the ground guys that show up to the hospital.

  They were more focused on being a "presence" of sorts, to make sure what they called the patients wishes were respected.

  On a personal level, my wife as a JW had a medical issue during pregnancy. By then, even though i was practicing still, I was awake on this one issue. The doctor came in and said it says here you are a JW, we are very familiar with their stance, and as a teaching hospital it is our firm conviction that we allow you to decide how this will proceed based on your faith. Would you like us to contact your religions liason?

  My wife looked at me......and we decided NO. We then told the doctor to erase the religious affiliation from the chart. Even indoctrinated and semi-indoctrinated, we were fully aware of the level of intrusion that would be in place if we agreed to that. Later during complications, I was texted and asked "should I have the HLC brothers come by". My answer was nope......brother ______ is a UPS driver....and I have a hospital foll of doctors and nurses. I think they can get a good nights sleep and we will work with the pros.

  Probably the beginning of the end for me.
  
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  Alternative witnessing

  by Zyron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  those of us still attending meeting are actively encouraged to use out tablets or smartphones to direct people to jw.org.

  how about, after doing the standard presentation casually say to householder, you can also look at this forum to read of experiences of life as a jw as well as the official version?.

  obviously you need to be working by yourself or with a pimo jw..

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  Steve that story is hilarious. I remember having the balls to straight yell into peoples houses, or walk into garages. Where did I get off!?

  I'm in a metro area of southern Cali (6th largest city in the state). I am much more likely to see a cart being ignored, or spanish brothers and sisters walking slowly down the street, than I am regular door to door.

  I am right in the heart of the territory i served, and know many JW's here. So it makes it a bit odd. I have let them slander me for the sake of not having people I know come to the door.

  Personally, I think you HAVE TO have been a JW to really understand the oddities. Telling a householder (are you really preaching still?), to look up this forum would be confusing, and honestly, most likely you could get yourself in trouble. But I would say there is a 99% chance they won't look up either one.

  The "look at our website" line.......is literally the death rattle of the public ministry. Its a total joke now.